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Most who have a passing familiarity with the legend of Atlantis can likely cite Plato as having mentioned it, Patrick Duffy as having been born there (which may or may not explain him resurfacing in a shower that time), and it being variously ascribed a number of locations – were it once real, natch – depending on the particular enthusiast/researcher’s bent (the Atlantic, the Med – including Crete, Santorini/Thera and Malta – , the Bahamas – including the Bermuda Triangle –, South America – owing to Mayan and Aztec cultures –, off Northern Europe – Doggerland – and Antarctica). 

The rub is, the predominance of scholarly research on the subject, as scholarly research is rather inclined to, becomes dry quite quickly. Which is crying shame for a subject so evocative. Consequently, a considerably more fruitful avenue – for those favouring the vivid and colourful over the starchy and literal, at any rate – is located through considering the various less “credible” sources. Which means taking such material seriously, or just approaching it with an open mind, is tantamount to an admission of lunacy (since the scholarly researchers’ sources are already dismissed by anyone sufficiently mainstream or establishment, who would not to go within a mile of the subject. Except, perhaps, as a vicarious thrill for ratings-boosting historical programming, wherein they, quite reasonably, observe there’s absolutely no legitimate evidence for Atlantis).

Hence Tony O’Connell’s Atlantipedia (“An A-Z Guide To The Search For Plato’s Atlantis”), replete with the dismissive tone of “serious” scholarship. This, despite – as alluded above –any “legitimate” analysis reducing Plato’s account to merely an allegory, so nothing to see there (Wiki tells us, so it must be so). For myself, I have to wonder rather at seeking relative high ground on a tentative and nebulous subject. O’Connell dismisses Shirley Andrews’ books, for example – Atlantis – Insights from a Lost Civilisation and Lemuria and Atlantis – Studying the Past to Survive the Future – on the basis that she incorporated channels’ information in order to build her picture. Thus, she “completely devalued her work by using the output of what she refers to as ‘intuitively gifted psychics’ as research sources”. The result, in his view, is “a poor reworking of old material covered with a heavy layer of conjecture and mystic waffle… Not content with writing bosh about Atlantis, she subsequently extended her output of poppycock to include Lemuria”. You know, in contrast to Plato’s bosh and poppycock.

Andrews actually does a commendable job of stringing together all the different, disparate sources into a “universal theory” of Earth history that features Atlantis. Thus, she incorporates such variable and potentially at variance concepts as standard evolution, dinosaurs, pole shifts etc into her projected timeline for a perfect storm of inclusivity. Obviously, the danger there is that you’re going to please no one, since including “legitimate” science and Earth history alongside bosh and poppycock isn’t necessarily supported by the more gnostic take many of her alt-sources favoured. And “legitimate” science wouldn’t give anything else in her research the time of day (as noted, they wouldn’t even give Plato’s story the time of day). 

Obviously, anyone apprising themselves of alt-accounts is going to be spending a significant time with Edgar Cayce. Indeed, his 3 periods of Atlantean destruction – the first in about 50,000 BC, when it becomes 5 islands, the second ranging from 28-18000 BC, when it becomes a chain of islands, and the third and final destruction in about 10,000 BC – form the bedrock of Andrews’ history (the latter date largely ties with most popular sources, from Plato to Frederick Spencer Oliver). She also includes or mentions many supportive scholars and/or sources I shan’t be examining, such as Diodorus Siculus (from the alleged 1st-century BC, documenting how the Phoenicians discovered a large island in the Atlantic Ocean), Ignatius Donnelly (a 19th-century politician whose writings have “been rejected by scholars and scientists”: so there), Lewis Spence (who followed in Donnelly’s footsteps and so came in for considerable flack, and much of whose assertions regarding Atlantean activities and rites derived from the Arcane Tradition), David Hatcher Childress and Zechariah Sitchin (a slightly idiosyncratic choice, even by Andrews’ standards, since he had next to nothing to say on the subject; it does, however, provided coverage for her embrace of a possible ET influence). I shall consider some of the theosophist positions, however, since their effect on the broad church of the burgeoning Atlantean mythos, one that took in Oliver, Cayce and Helena Blavatsky, has lingered through the New Age movement.

I should also stress that I’m not going to dive into all the various descriptions of life and society – or potential geographical location – particularly since it’s very difficult to avoid visualising Atlantis in other than a pseudo-Greek style but with a spin of crystal-tech and distinctly devised flying machines (even when reading Oliver’s account). Andrews makes a fist of this, if that’s your cup of tea. While Ancient Greece, though highly accredited as being bona fide and quite in order, is bosh and poppycock, it might be useful to begin with Plato. He is, after all, where most start and stop.


Before dipping into individual sources, it may be instructive to consider their intent or efficacy, per Q & A answers. With theosophy vocally boosting Lucifer as an aspirational force, it ought to be no surprise that Helena Blavatsky was not of positive intention. Nor was Rudolf Steiner, regardless of areas where he may have been on the ball – his much quoted, over the past couple of years, prediction regarding the development of vaccines that would suppress the soul has understandably resonated – and his flirtation with the kinds of Christian principles Blavatsky shunned/reviled may simply have been a lure (Steiner’s Ahriman, a materialism-feeding counterpart to/contender with Lucifer, was coming in to a position of dominate influence at that point; in contrast to – AIs – Satan and Lucifer et al, however, Ahriman does not exist). 

The Edgar Cayce readings are a mixed bag in terms of accuracy: about 50 percent overall, but dipping to 40 percent when considering Atlantis on its own (and rising to 70 percent when taking his health readings alone). Contrast this with the Ra Material, where the channelling’s accuracy rises to 85-90 percent, and the Seth Material, where it stands at 90-95 percent. It may not be a coincidence that, where the latter two channellings appear erroneous, it’s in relation to historical events or past lives. This could be down to the distortions that inevitably arise in the channelling process, or it could, in certain instances, be a consequence of the source wishing to preserve the channel’s free will (and so avoid encumbering them with information that might engender an unacceptable paradigm shift). 


Getting back to the purported Ancient Greece, if you do go in for the stolen/faked history thesis, then the possibility that Plato was simply telling his tale of Atlantis to big up the idea of Athens/Greece being the absolute business ought to be entirely in keeping with that. Not least because Plato himself would more than likely also be a construct. Essentially, the Atlantis of this period – 9,000 years prior to the philosopher’s discourse – is somewhat out of step with most alt-accounts, in that they’re the aggressors (others are more particularly about a once-peak civilisation fall into degeneracy; warlike tendencies, less so). The Atlanteans attempted to conquer Athens but failed owing to the Athenians’ superior social construct.

This take on events is given in dialogues Timeaus and Critias. In the former, Critias tells the story of Solon’s journey to Egypt, where he learns of Atlantis, “a great and wonderful empire”, that waged war against Athens before sinking beneath the sea in a single day. Critias documents Atlantis’ origins, whereby Poseidon’s son Atlas inherited the kingdom (Atlas’ offspring, the Pleiads, in turn have links to lore, but more of the ET persuasion). The Temple of Poseidon is described, as are the rare metal orichalcum (speculated as an alloy, or platinum, or something else besides), the architecture, the land (concentric rings of alternating water and land) and the customs. 

More significant, perhaps, is the people’s character, in terms of the greater lore, whereby they were “great spirits, uniting gentleness with wisdom in the various chances of life, and in their intercourse with one another. They despised everything but virtue, caring little for their present state of life”. But, alas, “the divine portion began to fade away, and became diluted too often and too much with the mortal admixture, and the human nature got the upper hand”. Zeus, seeing how the mighty had fallen, decided to punish them, as tyrannical deities tend to do; the rest of the dialogue is lost, but I think we all know what happened next.

One might see Plato feeding in to subsequent accounts, but it’s probably telling that, aside from the loose dating of the final destruction, the thrust of his tale – Atlantis vs Athens and the triumph of the latter – is not found elsewhere.


When Donnelly came along with Atlantis: The Antediluvian World in 1882, he was, despite his naysayers’ subsequent accusations of “pseudoscience”, offering a thesis based in loosely evidential data, so contrasting with the unsourced assertions that would forever-on attach themselves to the subject once (particularly) the theosophists got a word in. Donnelly vouched for Atlantis’ destruction being the same event as Noah’s Flood and that it had spawned the Mayan civilisation as well as contributing to others including Ancient Egypt and, er, Ireland (well, he did have roots there). Spence would take up his baton somewhat in the 1920s (with The Problem of Atlantis and History of Atlantis), favouring a link with Britain; while his scholarly occultic interests were more acute, he didn’t allow himself to be distracted by channelled takes on the continent (and indeed was sceptical of theosophy).


In between, the continent’s terrain fundamentally changed. Theosophy essentially staked a claim to the subject when Blavatasky published The Secret Doctrine (1888), detailing humanity’s 7 root races, the 4th of which was Atlantis. Getting the drop on her, however, if not in terms of actual publication date, was Frederick Spencer Oliver’s A Dweller on Two Planets (1886/1905). Channelled by one Phylos the Thibetan over 3 years from 1883, the book told of his – Phylos’ – Atlantean incarnation as Zailm Numinos and his final incarnation as Walter Pierson. As Pierson, he encountered Quong of the Lothinian Brotherhood, who took him to the temple they built in Mount Shasta – its links to Lemuria seem to be kick started here – from which he astrally travelled to Venus (also called Hysperia), eventually transposing there physically to live (one wonders if Edgar Rice Burroughs had read this before coming up with John Carter and Barsoom). 

A Dweller on Two Planets is essentially a tale of torrid romance across multiple lifetimes informing retributive lives. It emphasises the concept of karma – albeit in a very eye-for-an-eye sense, and the physical form: “the ever-recurrent prisoning of the soul in fleshly bodies, is but expiatory, is but penalty” – such that you have a melange of Old Testament and Buddhist values in pursuit of the understanding that “Spirit alone is real; all else is illusion“; Zailm’s romantic (or more especially, libidinous) indiscretions follow him around in subsequent incarnations until he makes good (included in this is a very star-crossed conception of two halves that are man and woman ultimately uniting a “marriage made in heaven”). 

Oliver’s (or Phylos’) earnest, florid prose style does rather encourage the sense of romantic fiction over reported events, but wherever you come down on it – I’m slightly reminded of David Langford’s (much) later hoax fiction An Account of a Meeting with Denizens from Another World – it has undoubtedly left a legacy when it comes to Atlantean and Lemurian histories.

Phylos describes a highly advanced Poseid (Atlantis) society some 12,000 years ago, one replete with anti-gravity aircraft that could double as submarines (Vailx, or plural Vailxi), TV, wireless transmission, air conditioning, high-speed rail, advanced drainage and aerial water generators. Its principle energy was derived from the “Night-Side of Nature” (the power of explosive substances without the explosion, but in principle harnessing polarity/duality; Cayce also uses the term “night side”). Atlantis was, at this time, flourishing, under a limited monarchical rule (positions were elective) and a population of 300 million. 

God was referred to as Incal, and all things were Incal “externalised” (“the basic principle of all natural and a psychic, but not of spiritual, phenomena”). This emphasis on the “One Substance” may not equate in terms with the Law of One found elsewhere in Atlantis-related channelling, but it’s nevertheless interesting that there should be such an emphasis (more specifically, Phylos also identifies “The Law of the One”, which reads “Except a man overcometh, he shall not inherit of My life; I will not be his God, neither shall he be My son”). Likewise, on the comparable terms front, the Maxin-Stone – Maxin being “the Fire of Incal”, or “Divine Light” – a giant spearhead-shaped stone 3 times a man’s height, is suggestive of Cayce’s firestone. Phylos makes much mention of Arcturus’ significance too, something also emphasised by Cayce (albeit not in the context of Atlantis).

When it comes to Phylos’ experiences on Venus, one might be forgiven for concluding he is referencing a higher-dimensional, non-physical form – “their persons you could not see, their voices you could not hear, yet they would not be similarly limited in regard to your persons and voices” – which might in some way conform to the Ra Material’s description of having originated there (Venus is not a physical planet). It might yet be intended to reference a higher-dimensional state –  you will hunt for evidences of human life on the nearer planets, but you will never find any until you cease to expect that matter will reveal soul” – but Phylos emphasises that theirs is a physical form: “Do not object that these Hesperian objects were unreal, just because I have said that no one with ordinary terrestrial eyes could see any evidences of life on Venus. Reality does not necessarily imply terrene solidity”). 

And against higher dimensionality, we have Phylos joining their ranks, without any explicit uptick in awareness or consciousness (we should consider the suggestion that “Man was born into the earth from Mars, as he is eventually to be born from the earth into Hesper”. Ra refers to those from Mars incarnating on Earth, but again, this actually relates to then-non-physical souls, and the suggestion of a planetary progression, finally “to the Seventh or Sabbatic world” is cute but unsupported. At least, that I’m aware of. It may, however, be a means to express a soul’s experiences of these dimensional states). There is leeway in interpreting his view of the Universe, however, despite references to a globe; for example, we learn it is “something of an error” to say the Earth has a molten interior. This, along with the “so-called ‘flames’ of the sun” (the “suns of systems are centres of forces of the Night Side of Nature”).

As to the destruction of Atlantis, Phylos supports the catastrophe-through-degeneracy position, citing The Bible account – “find it as the Noachian deluge” – as a version of the “first destruction of Poseid” (again, this intimates towards Cayce), while the Book of Job references the earlier downfall of Lemuria (“So one cycle of mankind dieth of fire, and the next of water. And again, the next dieth of fire” – the latter foretold by the Second Epistle of Peter). The main destruction occurred 30 centuries after Zailm, when blood sacrifice – animal then human – had become embedded in the culture, with the prior peak technologies having fallen into disuse. Knowledge and science were now the preserve of the priest class (“by purely psychic means”), and so the people depended solely on them; from thence came the corruption of power (Phylos seems to be saying the continent was destroyed 9 centuries after those 30, but that doesn’t quite fit the 12,000 years ago of Zailm’s incarnation and the 9,000 years ago of when it was destroyed). 

It’s worth noting that, while Cayce would namecheck both Oliver (“the writer of Two Planets”) and “some Theosophical literature” – “As to whether this information is true or not, depends upon the credence individuals give to this class of information” – Phylos is blunt in disavowing Blavatasky’s creed, as “what goes under the name of ‘theosophyin the world to-day is an article so far removed from the genuine that the name has even thus early been laid aside by the silent nature student, who, now as ever, is a Son of the Solitude”.


Blavatsky, instructed to present a decidedly Luciferian doctrine of evolution (man eventually ascending to godlike status), whereby the root races progressed from the ethereal Polarians, to the Hypoboreans (who reproduced by budding), to the egg-laying Lemurians (from about 16m years ago), to the Atlanteans, who are given a much more distant historic status than other channelled material (and from thence: ever onwards!); a 1st Atlantean catastrophe occurred during the Miocene period, several million years ago. A 2nd, 850,000 years ago, (Pliocene), taking in the islands Ruta and Daitya, and the remainder continued until the point where Plato’s account – or rather, timing – comes in. The crumbling of the civilisation here incorporates black magic (used to produce human-animal chimeras, something that connects with aspects of Cayce’s “things”). 

Theosophist W Scott Elliot would expand on Blavatasky with The Story of Atlantis (1896) and The Lost Lemuria (1904). He had Lemurians among the first Atlantis settlors (the Lemurians bred with animals to produce early human anthropoid ancestors).


Which rather sets the scene for Rudolf Steiner. Steiner, like Blavatsky, walked the deceptive path. He started out as an adherent of theosophy before establishing his own anthroposophy, which incorporates certain Christian aspects (there is much referencing of the Christ impulse as aspirational), almost as a rebuke of Blavatsky’s scorn for the religion (albeit, one might argue Steiner’s blend was, in its way, even more suspect; he considered Lucifer, Satan and “Ahriman” necessary influences in humanity’s development). 

Steiner’s essays Atlantis and Lemuria (1904) retained Blavatsky’s root races. And, like Oliver, he posited a preceding Lemurian epoch destroyed by fire, as a contrast to Atlantis’ water; following the destruction of the former, humanity dispersed to other planets (one assumes non-corporeally, but with Steiner you can never tell. Just check out his Moon people; he also had descendants of Lemurians “still to be found in the interior of Australia”, a more salient suggestion). At this point, “the human body was soft, pliable and plastic, so that the souls that came down from the heavenly worlds could still form and shape their bodies”. 

He suggested the Atlantean faculties mapped very differently, initially at any rate, with “somnambulistic-clairvoyant forces” favoured over the intellect, mind and the “power to think logically” (this occurring within the bounds of a “water-fog atmosphere”). This did mean, however, that the Atlanteans could control “the life force”, transforming “burned” plant seeds into power (which included air vehicles). Distinctive as some of this is – Steiner’s discourses on a gamut of subjects are nothing if not distinctive – the old nugget of “the deeds of men” initiated Atlantis’ gradual destruction and eventual migration.

So preceding Cayce, and post-Plato, we can gather the common threads of advanced societies (at least, in some capacities, depending on your source), brought low through deviancy of the mind and body, leading finally to disintegration of the land. Migration ensued, some of it prior to the date pf Plato’s final end (generally accepted as bona fide, both by scholars and channels). 


Of more than 1,600 Edgar Cayce readings (for individual clients), 700 referenced Atlantis incarnations. Consequently, one might infer – assuming they’re legit – that either a lot of souls who were in Atlantis were/are currently residing in the known Earth, or a lot of souls who were in Atlantis were congregating around or specifically drawn to Edgar’s insights. 

Cayce, the Sleeping Prophet, is known for the wisdom he channelled from the Akashic records. It’s been noted there was little attempt, at least per released materials, to formulate a coherent history of the world, the way the theosophists and others were disposed to; questions on such subjects, or answers, tended to the haphazard, based on clients’ life readings. Consequently, there are grand statements for the age of the Earth – see the later section on how Q & A answers compare to the Cayce material for a qualification of that – of 10.5m years, so not quite approaching the billions of the “revisionist” – if you like – epochal history of modern scientific theory, but considerably greater than the biblical accoiunt. That said, there’s then a leap to 98,000 years prior to an undated event (“the entry of the Ram into India”), meaning vast spans of Cayce-ian history go unspecified. 

We are, however, furnished with forms of evolution and descent into matter, something the theosophists and Steiner broadly embrace but in their own singular ways, such that the uncertainly positioned date above relates to Amilius (or Adam) noting separations by thought forms into male and female. The first Atlanteans lived in caves and in trees (nests), and the land was located “between the Gulf of Mexico on the one hand —and the Mediterranean upon the other” (and its size, during the initial, Amilius era, was “that of Europe including Asia in Europe”, by which he means the portion of Asia in Europe).

In the first instance, there were “projections from that about the animal kingdom” by those who “classified themselves as gods, or rulers” over the kingdom (a Luciferian impulse right there, in terms of design, although we might allow for unintentional wording). This led to many variations in size, from giants to midgets – and various combinations of limbs “as might be used when necessary” – but the ideal was Adam, who “appeared five in one” (he appeared in five places on Earth at once: “the five senses, the five reasons, the five spheres, the five developments, the five nations”. The races being the red (Atlantean), yellow, white, black and brown). The centre or beginning of these projections was in Atlantis.

The preceding Lemuria (or Zu or Mu), the vanished land of the Pacific, was “before the sojourn of peoples in perfect body form”, when women ruled and atmospheric pressure was different; there were various upheavals during this period.

The Atlanteans “transposed” by thought those material things they needed (be if for flying craft or electricity) through the use of “atomic forces” and their breaking up (which could also “transpose them bodily from one portion of the universe to the other”). This has consequently been inferred as nuclear power by some. These being those “nightside” energies – referenced by Oliver – that could be misused (“forces as pertain to the nightside of life… forces not of the present used in many ways for man’s own use”; “the entity found MUCH that were of the forces as apply in that called the night- side, or the negative side of life. The forces as being positive and negative became to the entity, in the application in the latter period, negative in their results”).

Such focus on the material aspect brought with it debasement in some. Essentially, they chose service to self rather than to others (in the Ra Material’s terminology), or the Law of One (“desires of self without respect of others’ freedom others’ wishes”). This was particularly focussed on “those changed forms, or the daughters of men”. The Sons of Belial (also referred to as followers of the law of Baal) appeared to be the principle culprits here – whether they all explicitly designated themselves as such, or it was also implicit by action and impulse is unclear – prizing “the use of material things for self, without thought or consideration as to the sources of such nor the hardships in the experiences of others… they were those without a standard of morality”. Their ethic was thus in direct contrast to those who followed the Law of One (whose standard was that the soul was given by the Creator or entered from outside sources into the projection of the mental and spiritual self at the given periods”). The Sons of Belial considered these “merely things rather than individual souls”.

Elements that have been discussed by others, including the construction of altars and practicing sacrifices, ensued. However, there was also Cayce’s show-stopping invasion by large animals to be reckoned with; naturally, explosives were needed when these unspecified – mammoths? Dinosaurs? Dragons? – beasts “that overran the earth in many places” became a flaming nuisance. After this, it was a short step to human sacrifice and both the first eruption/destruction and “egress of peoples” (to what would eventually become the Egyptian dynasty). Cayce grants Atlantean civilisation a span of 200,000 years, so we must assume 150,000 passed in reasonable fettle before the first destruction, Cayce-time. Visions of airships firing death rays at animals are conjured (although they were actually “sent out from various plants”, following a Great Congress held on the issue), but it appears this device(s) was additionally key to “destructions to portions of the land” (however, we are also told “ice… nature, God, changed the poles and the animals were destroyed”).

It was the misuse of forces by the Sons of Belial – the “application of spiritual things for self-indulgences of material peoples” – that “brought, then, the first of the upheavals; or the turning of the etheric rays’ influences from the Sun—as used by the Sons of the Law of One—into the facet for the activities of same—produced what we would call a volcanic upheaval; and the separating of the land into several islands—five in number”.

The children of the Law of One, meanwhile, were active in the Temple of the Sun, aiding “those in material things” (Cayce defines these individuals as those who “pushed into matter as to become separate entities, without the consideration of principle or the ability of self-control”. Also, “those that had projected themselves into creatures that became as the sons of man… rather than the creatures of God”). The Sons of Belial had their own temple built in opposition.

The 2nd destruction, derived from, as ever “misapplication of divine laws upon those things of nature or of the earth” (per Andrews’ retelling, 1st and 2nd were in 50,000 and 28,000 BC respectively); Cayce cites this as reflecting the biblical account of Noah. Here, it was the result of tuning the power from the firestone (or Tuaoi stone) too high. This Tuaoi stone was 6-sided, its light appearing as “the means of communication between infinity and the finite”, later guiding modes of travel (in air, in or under water) as a central power station, and then latter still destructive in aspect. It boasted regenerative applications too. The 3rd destruction is accounted for whereby, between 2nd and final, there was “great antagonistic feelings between the sons of Belial and the children of the Law of One”.

In the Cayce account, Poseidia appears to reference both Atlantis and a distinct island (the principle islands at the time of the final destruction were Poseidia, Aryan and Og). Poseida – no “I” – was a city build on hill, partially walled, with Rivers, pools, ducts, canals, buildings and tiers, one upon another (which doesn’t sound very far from Oliver’s account). In the temples, stones caught the rays of the Sun (leading to a portion of the populace becoming Sun worshippers, on the deleterious downward path towards human sacrifice). 

Cayce probably has more to say about the Egyptian civilisation birthed or sculpted by Atlanteans than Atlantis itself; various Atlantean fugitives became priests there. This period – albeit, see the caveats in terms of the Q & A later – is of particular significance for marking a Cayce reincarnation of great influence, that of Ra Ta (“who now was known as Ra”). In this incarnation, he is credited with preparations for the Great Pyramid. Building methods were “By the use of those forces in nature as make for iron to swim. Stone floats in the air in same manner”. 

The Great Sphinx, meanwhile, was intended as a memorial to the one who “acted in the capacity of the director in the material things in the land”, particularly evidenced by “feathers on the limbs of the native Egyptians” (he caveats that the intended imagery was of “overseeing, giving strength not as one in beast form”) It might be noted that much of the ongoing enthusiasm for the Cayce material relates to a promised trove of ancient records awaiting discovery beneath the Great Sphinx. The curious factor in relation to Ra Ta, or Ra, is its namesake the Ra Material, a channelled source later known as the Blue Avians; this latter Ra also professes to involvement in the Great Pyramid and Ancient Egypt. So with that and the feathers, it might be construed as suggestive of certain channelling influences being common, even if to differing emphasis.


While it’s by no means a key aspect of Cayce’s readings – far from it – it’s worth considering the few references found to ETs in his work as they relate to Atlantis (more numerous are his aforementioned allusions to Arcturus, over which he was quite effusive). 

Cayce refers to an Atlantean priestess’s “periodical meetings with those from the universal realm, for instruction, for direction, for understanding” (but also “guidance or direction of the saints” through the use of universal forces, via the White Stone, for periods of 4D-consciousness concentration (stones of this ilk, of “magnetised influence” of the Spirit of the One, also enabled changing individuals from double sex and that of progeneration). He refers also to an individual who was “the keeper of the portals as well as the messages that were received from the visitations of those from the outer spheres”, suggestive, per general understanding of portal activity, that Atlanteans may have either travelled elsewhere in the Universe via such means or received visitors via the same.

We are told that in Atlantis, in contrast to “other portions of the universe”, there was no warlike influence (at least at first). Cayce references a Mayan priestess during a period when there was the beginning of understanding that others “were visiting from other worlds or planets”. In another reference, “Man may become, with the people of the universe, ruler of any of the various spheres through which the soul passes in its experiences” (again, as per Oliver, without putting meaning into his mouth, it may be that the soul’s passing through spheres can be taken as other than physical incarnation in a physical environment, as well as there being other physical places in the Universe). 

Andrews references ET craft visiting during the late Atlantean period, warning of its impending destruction (I haven’t located this Cayce quote, however). She also suggests, curiously in terms of Q &A findings, that Nikola Tesla “offers an example of how the highly developed Atlanteans enabled them to surpass us in their technology” (more speculatively still, she comments “Many believe that, to more easily enter other dimensions, the Atlanteans attempted to create a powerful interdimensional portal in the area of the Bermuda Triangle”).

Such influences arise more strongly in the related Dr David Zink expedition to Bimini in 1974 – on the basis that Cayce had suggested certain remnants of Atlantis would resurface there circa 1968 – because, during the course of his research, he contacted some psychics to aid in his quest. They “related that highly evolved, loving beings from the Pleiades, discovering the spiritually advanced residents, joined the thriving commercial and religious community”. (Psychic) Carol Huffstickler informed him “I keep getting the word Pleiades. . . It keeps coming through with the information on the Bimini Road site”. Inevitably, O’Connell had no truck with any of this – “The Internet is replete with nonsensical claims of Pleiadean ancestry” – but if we concede to the possibility and give it a tentative pass, along with the likelihood of distortion in translation, it represents a resonant revelation, that the “Pleions” visited Earth around 28,000 BC and, due to the spiritual advancement they found there, chose it “as a sacred site that could use the earth’s geomagnetic fields aligned with the sun and certain stars to raise human consciousness and to heal”. Certainly, in as much as it links in with the Ra Material. 


Ra (“I am Ra”) is dissimilar to preceding channels in that it explicitly identifies itself as ET (a 6th-density social memory complex, to boot). Thus, mentions of Atlantis tend to be in the context of ET influence thereon. Where it is entirely of-a-piece with other accounts, however, is in citing its destruction. Ra mentions Maldek – actually a peoples and land beyond the Ice Wall, rather than the planet Ra suggests – as having had “a civilisation somewhat similar to that of the societal complex known to you as Atlantis”, most explicitly so in letting its technological achievements fall prey to service-to-self influences.

Ra positions the Lemurians as preceding Atlantis, as per most accounts. In this case, 53,000 years ago: the destruction of their cycle, however, was “through no action of their own” (it related to tectonic activity, and came via water rather than fire). The Lemurians were largely from a planet in the Deneb galaxy that had difficulty transitioning from 2D to 3D. American Indians count among (the growing list of) Lemurian survivors.

Atlantis, meanwhile, developed closer to 31,000 years ago, spending the subsequent 16,000 years in a “slow growing and very agrarian” capacity before quickly reaching an understanding of high technology, allowing it to “be able to use intelligent infinity in an informative manner. We may add that they used intelligent energy as well, manipulating greatly the natural influxes of the indigo or pineal ray from divine or infinite energy”.  Rather than concentrating on self-improvement – healing and advancement – they misused their abilities to create lifeforms (which sounds a little like the “things” thing again). This led to the first of several wars 11,000 years ago, wiping out 40 percent of humans on Earth. There was another, even worse, less than 200 years later; this triggered the inundation with which we’re all familiar. Surviving Atlanteans (of a positive bent) headed for Tibet, Peru and Turkey. Ra adds that “Earth changes continued due to these, what you would call, nuclear bombs and other crystal weapons, sinking the last great land masses approximately 9,600 of your years ago”.

During these periods, there were sporadic attempts at contact via “entities of the Confederation” (a prior occasion, 75,000 years before, is also identified): with Lemurians, 58,000 years ago; and then, 13,000 years ago, with Atlantis (offering “some intelligent information” relating to “healing and crystal working”). Ra indicates that, at this time, rather than its favoured method of channelling, contact was also made directly, which “turned out to be a mistake because it was perverted by the entities of Atlantis” (Ra also gives lifespans of 70-140 years in their early cultural experience, a significant contrast to the 500-700 Cayce mentioned). 

ET influence on Egypt included the pyramids, naturally (conceived with Atlantis in mind: Ra suggests the Bermuda Triangle’s influence is caused by a pyramid initiated by 6D ETs working with Atlanteans. It would seem Ra means Pleiadeans, albeit Ra itself worked with the Egyptians). Book 5 of the Material – material published later more than a decade later – notes a question regarding an associate who was “channelling the same source which Edgar Cayce channelled” and whose understanding was that he was involved in the design and construction of the pyramids. Ra confirms that he worked “with Confederation entities in what you know of as Atlantis, this approximately 13,000 of your years ago” and then, 1,000 years later, he was a priest who “prepared, in some part, the consciousness of the people of what you now call Egypt, that they were able to offer the calling that enabled those of our social memory complex to walk among your peoples”.

Per Ra, it was through “intelligent infinity” that the Great Pyramid (or the main trio?) was constructed, with “thought-form” material (6,000 years ago) – “everlasting rock” – whereas subsequent pyramids used more “local or earthly material” (“The larger pyramids were built by our ability using the forces of One. The stones are alive. It has not been so understood by the mind/body/spirit distortions of your culture”). They were intended as a place of initiation for channels of the Law of One and the guidance of those in healing others (Ra indicates that, with regard to starseeds, or Wanderers as it called them, they comprise his lot (the ones who influenced Egypt) and several others besides: “A significant portion of sixth-density Wanderers are those of our social memory complex. Another large portion consists of those who aided those in South America; another portion, those aiding Atlantis. All are sixth density and all brother and sister groups”.


The Seth Material, which preceded Ra by a decade or two, offers perhaps the most individual account of Atlantis, in that it won’t be pinned down (some might therefore suggest it’s a bit wishy-washy). Seth actually provides more information on an otherwise undocumented civilisation, that of the Lumanians, who preceded Atlantis (“Before your idea of history, I was a Lumanian, and was later born in Atlantis”). Seth goes further, relating how a group of entities who moved beyond Earth and “formed new races and species” and no longer have material form, retain a “great interest” in Earth: “On your planet they were involved in three particular civilisations long before the time of Atlantis; when, in fact, your planet itself was in a somewhat different position”. They were highly technological, but aside from the Lumanians being one of these civilisations, Seth offers no further details. 

What he does offer is that “Your ideas of Atlantis are partially composed of future memories. They are psychic yearnings toward the ideal civilisation”. It’s a “psychic blueprint” of hopes and fears, “for the tales say that Atlantis was destroyed” (Seth isn’t drawn on the actual Atlantis’ fate, only that “many civilisations have come and gone in somewhat the same manner, and the ‘myth’ [of Atlantis] is based somewhat then on physical fact in your terms”: “The legend of Atlantis is actually based upon several such [earlier, highly developed] civilisations. No particular civilisation is the basis, however”.

Seth stresses that Plato’s legend was this “precognition of the future probability”, and more nebulously, “in certain terms, the ruins of Atlantis have not been found because they have not been placed in your past yet, from the future”. Jane (the channel) will add that she believed she then received information mentally from Seth that the myth and story “was actually a composite of three civilisations” and that Plato “picked up the Atlantis material himself, psychically” (she then adds that she didn’t pursue the subject because the “cultish ideas connected with it turned me off long ago”; elsewhere, she is disinclined towards Seth wishing to speak about Atlantis “because of the Edgar Cayce connotations, etc”; you find something similar with the Ra Material and a disinclination to pursue UFO lore/military & governmental involvement therewith). 

Seth comments, perhaps leadingly, that Atlantis “was one of many that came and vanished”, but it’s to be noted that – to my knowledge, from the material I have reviewed – that he never states outright that the actual Atlantis was destroyed. This may be instructive in relation to the next section. His quote that most allies itself with intimations by Ra and Cayce towards ET involvement in Atlantis concerns an attendee of a session who was told that he and others carried messages and laws, “codes of ethics”, originating from Atlantis, and before that, “these codes were given by a race from another star. This race had to do with the origin of Atlantis. The messages were put into words and language and written down at the time of Atlantis, but after that they were handed down by word of mouth”. Which sounds rather like the Law of One.


Addendum 20/05/24: It seems the Atlantis focussed on here is only part of the story. This owes, at least in part, to there being two Atlantises, one within the known Earth and one beyond the second Ice Wall.

The first and most significant element to note, in contrast to virtually all – perhaps, at a nudging inference, excluding Seth, who won’t be drawn on specifics – sources is that Atlantis still exists, as does Lemuria. Likewise, while pretty much all accounts have Lemuria preceding Atlantis, Atlantis actually arose first; Atlantis is approximately 39,000 years old, while Lemuria has been around for a merer slip of 25,000 years (this is to be compared with the age of the Earth, which is less than 50,000 years old*; Seth’s Lumanian civilisation clocks in during the 10,000 years or so prior to Atlantis arising). 

Which means we are still talking ancient, but degrees of ancient-ness. While one might chalk up Atlantis and Lemuria’s continued existence – unbeknownst to us – as down to the Earth being 5 times larger than we’ve been told, it’s more definingly because they’ve moved to 5D and are not, as a matter of course, visible to those in 3D any longer (an Atlantean human could, if he or she so wished, make themselves visible to a 3D human). Atlantis moved to 5D approximately 20,000 years ago (and Lemuria more recently). Some of those in both civilisations are now in 6D. In strict terms, some of those in Lemuria are actually still in 3D, but this is because Lemuria, which can – or can’t, if you get my drift – be found in the Pacific, covers Australia, New Zealand, Fiji and the span in between. During the transition process, both civilisations experienced a bifurcation (that is, those who continued in 3D while others had moved to 5D. This is said to be the state of affairs currently across the known Earth). 

The population of Atlantis and Lemuria is approximately 500 million, with roughly a 50-50 split between each (the overall figure represents 10 percent of the Earth’s actual 5.5 billion population). It should be noted that Atlantis last had contact with the rest of humanity 1,400 years ago, opting to isolate themselves over concerns about being corrupted by the known Earth’s influence (that, and they’d moved to a different density). I should caveat that they last had contact with the rest of humanity “as Atlantis” or “as Lemuria” that long ago. One particularly individual Atlantean for certain has been in contact since: one Nikola Tesla. Tesla, a 5D Atlantean and Pleiadean starseed who appeared (appears) in 3D, time travelled 900 years from Atlantis to the 19th century (for more on Tesla, see the relevant Q & As). 

With regard to the legends of Atlantis’ flooding, it seems that, while the notion that the civilisation was destroyed was one they promoted themselves, the inundation they did experience was the one everyone underwent at the time of the 1700 Event; Atlantis and Lemuria were devastated by the same 75 percent reduction in population suffered by the rest of the world at this time. Thus, while parts of Atlantis are underwater, there were no earlier inundations or floods at the root of this. The 1700 Event, being what it is and caused by those who caused it, flags that neither Atlantis nor Lemuria came under Dark Forces control at any point (and indeed, Dark Forces remained unaware of their continued existence; on which subject, the Eye of the Sahara represents a former Atlantis outpost that also remained free from Dark Forces influence). 

While Q & A answers suggested significant – in some cases fundamental – divergences from Atlantis lore, it seems there is significant correlation in other areas. The Cayce readings – 40 percent accurate on Atlantis, if you recall – may have been out of whack on dates and stages of destruction, but they had the principles embodied in the Children of the Law of One right. Crystal-based technology – as suggested by most sources – was indeed in use. It would also seem Cayce’s account of “things” (in Cayce terms, souls that pushed themselves into matter), who were treated as labourers, is correct.  

So the distinction would presumably be one of the degree to which conflicts arising – it is difficult to believe the children of the Law of One would have countenanced the things’ treatment – led to upheavals, both societal and geographical. If we remove the possibility that the Sons of Belial initiated (overwhelmingly) destructive effects on the environment, their impact must have been more localised and, for Atlantis to move on to higher densities of existence, resolved. Either their capitulation – and reformation of character – or their departure from Atlantis might be presumed. Or perhaps they merited a permanent “ending”.

One might also speculate with regard to the nature of the things. While certain aspects of Cayce’s account regarding the origin of humans check out, such as humans not initially being separated into male and female, it would seem this related to experimentation (with form) rather than “evolution”. Thus, Cayce’s reference to those who “classified themselves as gods, or rulers”, first appearing as “though forms” pertaining to the “developing or evolving world of matter” may not provide an accurate sense of what transpired.

The experimentation aspect is more suggestive of Anunnaki efforts to “distil” the human form (such that the giants and midgets referenced by Cayce may have been a part of this process); the understanding is that the “human experiment” (if you like) was ET-initiated, but it was the Anunnaki who contributed to human DNA (these being positively inclined Anunnaki, Anunnaki generally seeming to be shit hot when it comes to all things genetics). 

It may be that souls entered into forms created during this process and the legacy was still being dealt with at the point the “things” were being mistreated in Atlantis. Or it may be that the Sons of Belial developed their own controversial and imperfect genetic technology (some have suggested the things might have been clones). The idea of a malleable form at the “creative” instigation of human souls does not, however, sound as if accurately reflects events and may even owe something to more gnostic strands of human developmental mythology (one might read similar Anunnaki genetic priming in Cayce suggesting that man, in the form of the different root races, entered into Earth in 5 places at once). The distinctions between actual processes and their evocation by the negatively inclined may, at times, be crucial but outwardly slim ones; males and females initially being unseparated is also a common part of Gnosticism, and it should not be assumed as validation for the Baphometian path and its promotion of transgenderism.

The knock-on effect of eliminating 3 destructions of Atlantis from the scheme of things is that a mass exodus to ancient Egypt is no longer on the cards. It’s my understanding that, while there was indeed an Egyptian religion and civilisation, the Ancient Egypt we’ve been told about, the pharaonic one of historical repute, is a fabrication. Consequently, the Great Pyramid and the Great Sphinx were not initiated by the Atlanteans and Ra Ta – or by Ra, if it comes to that, who as noted also takes credit in the Ra Material – but rather by Dark Forces’ impact on the timeline, some 1,000 years ago (this is not necessarily to indict all the other various pyramids – of which there are some 118, officially, in total – in the country, but chiefly to cast doubts on the wonder and awe (and adulation) elicited by its most celebrated constructs.

It also bears noting that Cayce’s reference to Amilius – whom he also identifies as the first Adam – as an earlier incarnation of Jesus is correct. Jesus incarnated (or rather, materialised as Jesus) following the Dark Forces’ alteration of the timeline; given his significant impact on Atlantis, it would make sense if he were a Pleiadean, a status often ascribed to him.

THE Q & A: ETs

On which subject, as Seth suggested, a race from another place in the Universe was involved with the origins of Atlantis; the Atlanteans were in contact and have remained in contact with ETs (we may choose to dispute the term ETs, since all life in the Universe has its origins beyond the Ice Wall, but that’s another conversation). This race being the Pleiadeans, such that they imparted the civilisation with Service to Others (per the Law of One) principles. 

Ra meanwhile, suggested the starseeds who aided Atlantis and are now incarnated on Earth are all in 6D (these starseeds being Pleiadean in origin; appropriate to their non-involvement, it would seem there are no starseeds of Ra in Atlantis; Ra himself comes from Venus, albeit, as noted earlier, not a physical planet Venus. When Ra was “in” Venus, it was not in physical form). Apposite in this regard, albeit he doesn’t get into the nature of densities and dimensional existence(s), Cayce imparted – accurately, to my understanding – that the different dimensional properties of the planets of our “solar system” are: Venus – 4; Jupiter – 5; Uranus – 7; Mercury – 7; Mars – 1; Saturn – 0. And that there are 8 dimensions (or densities) in this solar system.

When it comes to the starseed subject, it would appear the vast majority are incarnated in Atlantis (85-90) percent, rather than the known Earth. Which, in terms of a choice between edifying and much-less-so places to spend one’s current life, might be deemed entirely understandable. As to the wheres and whens of Atlantis (and Lemuria) “rising” once more, in the consciousness of the known Earth, that would seem like a safe bet for the fullness of time, once a new understanding and awareness has taken hold in the post-Dark Forces-dictated world.

*Addendum 20/05/24: The Earth age answers, for whatever reason – imprecise wording, failing to test far back enough, or simply incorrect answers – were out of whack here. It seems the figure should be in the range of (less than) a million years.



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